Turns out it was adobe that canceled CFDJ???

September 11, 2007 11:22 AM
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Yup, sys-con had nothing to do with it.  Adobe discontinued cfdj.  Turns out.  Ummm what?

Ok, I have read the latest press release from sys-con a few times and I am still confused.  It's title says "Adobe's Decision Upsets ColdFusion Community".  It quotes Michael Dinowitz, Sean Corfield and Ben Forta.  It even acknowledges that some are pissed at sys-con.    The coldfusion community wasn't upset CFDJ was no more (though it is still online).  It was celebrated.  Quite different.

This nugget here is where it gets wierd:

"SYS-CON's only challenge while serving the CF community was to deal with some members of that very same community, " said industry blogger James Hamilton. "People like Corfield and Dinowitz could not stand any sort of advertisement in CFDJ. They wanted their magazine delivered for free and hated the adverts that made this possible for them, as if they were two characters from the Dr. Zhivago movie."

Oh really?  How was that a challenge to sys-con?  In what way did they have any say or control?

At what point was it Adobe's problem to support and run CFDJ?  Far as I can tell when we advertised with CFDJ we paid Sys-Con.  Not Macromedia and not Adobe.  Since we pulled our ads long ago are we also responsible?

A few thoughts for sys-con:

If you actually paid the writers that would help your case a bit.

If the current article made sense that couldn't possibly hurt.

If your web site wouldn't crash my firefox browser EVERY time that would be great.

If there really is something sinister going on with adobe then spell it out.  Right now it sounds like Adobe decided not to advertise and you had nothing to fall back on.  That isn't Adobe's fault.  That is your sales and publishing team.  lots of us could advertise, but have had bad experiences.  Why would I advertise in a magazine that publishes print editions seemingly at random, got things wrong, and personally offended me more than once?  And if Adobe was in fact partnering on a larger lvl to get the magazine published, then maybe they stopped since your side of the bargain (making the magazine) wasn't at the quality it should be?  I have no problem knocking Adobe if the deserve it but either scenario here isn't Adobe's fault.  Not even a little bit.


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That is rich. Their news item did not have a byline other than "newsdesk". Some anonymous sys-con editor (probably this Hamilton dude who is quoted at length in the piece and doesn't seem to know what he's talking about) is trying to make it sound like they had nothing to do with it. I've been sick of their attitude for years. They always try to solicit articles but never are willing to pay anything (not even a token $50 that they used to pay many many years ago, or even a copy of the magazine.) The last few issues have only been pamphlets...probably because they have already ticked off every author in the community and noone will write for them any more.
# Posted By Tom Muck | 9/11/07 12:41 PM
So the 80 dollars a year subscription, for an Uber thin magazine wasn't enough to support it? they didn't pay authors, much even when they did pay. What a crock. Where did all that subscription money go? I call Shenanigans.
# Posted By John WIlker | 9/11/07 12:55 PM
Having been on the "board" for the journal, I know the only dedicated resources behind CFDJ was one person who didn't even work full-time (and whose resources could very well have actually been split between journals for all I know). This is in large part why none of the articles were ever edited, and at times I am not even sure they were reviewed internally at all. Sys-Con is behaving like a petty child to say it kindly. I hope others who support them learn from the mistakes here. Thank you Adobe for pulling their funding!
# Posted By Brian Rinaldi | 9/11/07 1:38 PM
Wow..the plot thickens!! :)
# Posted By Darth Sidious | 9/11/07 1:44 PM
# Posted By Todd Rafferty | 9/11/07 2:00 PM
Ah, the big lie. That time honored technique of making a large claim based on a small one or a select segment of a small one. What I DID say about Sys-Con, in a CF-Community list post, was that their popup and auto-start video ads were freaking annoying and almost blew my ear out when I accidentally went to their site.

Lise, damn lies, Sys-con
# Posted By Michael Dinowitz | 9/11/07 4:25 PM

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